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Agamemnon 14-04-2006 00:13

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Originally Posted by Rids
Jesus christ, 34 people viewing this thread, you're all a bunch of fucking drama queens!

5 sec lag in BWL.. Can't blame us. We read this between casts :rolleyes:

Bociwen 14-04-2006 00:13

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Originally Posted by Gravitas
Beliefs can remain covert, while symbols allude. It's like giving a nod in a direction rather than outright acknowledgement. It's certainly possible.



There's no need for all the expletives my unhappy friend. I know your motto and I've been fascinated by it for some time, but simply because it's Latin doesn't imply a direct link to the Romans. As for the term Legion, it has an authoritarian connotation, which was enough for me.



A question is not a display of ignorance. And an apology for "my notion being wrong" was offered beforehand. Sorry it's a little difficult for YOU to see beyond your blinding righteousness, hypocrite.

You know, my initial reaction to your call of hypocrite was one of iritation, a touch of anger, and a desire to just do everything in my power to make you feel as peeved as I do. But here's the deal; you walked in here, and instead of asking the simple question "hey legion, where did you guys get your motto/logo from?" you decide instead, to be joe smartypants and make your assumption. You even go so far as to apologize, in advance, for the insult you decided to throw at this entire community. Not only does this not even begin to justify the comments, but it also shows that you already knew your assumption to be untrue, yet you went ahead and decided to show us just how ignorant you can be.

I can tell you right now that this shows to me you are not the quality of person we should affiliate ourselves with; furthermore I will do everything in what power I have to see that you do not become part of this community, as I fear the implications and trouble your lack of forsight and common sense may bring us.

Good luck with whatever the hell it is you do, I sincerely hope you find what you are looking for.

Waywatcher 14-04-2006 00:14

I don't often get a chance to wax intellectual and flame someone at the same time! This is historic!

The watcher.

P.S.:
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I can tell you right now that this shows to me you are not the quality of person we should affiliate ourselves with; furthermore I will do everything in what power I have to see that you do not become part of this community, as I fear the implications and trouble your lack of forsight and common sense may bring us.
Wait...did he initially post his app for the WoW division as well...? That takes some serious chutzpah, my friend. o.O

Tiddy 14-04-2006 00:16

Its not your perception of reality that's warped, its your perception of a simple online gaming community. I fucking hate history and I STILL knew wtf the theme for VtS was ever since the killed WaC 5 (?) years ago.


Anyway, I havent laughed that hard in a long time. Thank you for posting that first post in this thread. I am now chuckling sporadically for no reason.... kinda like the hiccups.

Gravitas 14-04-2006 00:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Agamemnon
How about the fact that out of a rather large amount of symbols, you chose the only one you actually knew had had one meaning you didn't like, and then elaborated this point by inventing false links to the SS in our name. I would at best have called your theory here an uneducated guess at first, but the fact that you still don't get it, means that you are impressively stupid and stubborn to boot.

I made no false link. I was asking if there was such a link. There's a difference between statement and query. I was very careful to make this distinction in my first post. Sadly, there's always a few sitting around waiting to baselessly justify their superiority by labeling others as stupid.

And what thread have you been reading? I've acknowledged what many of you have clarified for me, that your symbol is indeed derived from ancient Rome. I only say that regardless of intent, one has always to be aware of the multiple connotations of each symbol, Nazism being one of them for that which you chose.

Anunnak 14-04-2006 00:17

This may seem harsh... but Jews werent the only ones to suffer during ww2...
Slavs lost oh what 25-30 million during that conflict? Do we fucking cry about it every chance we get? Do we need to remind others of what happend? NO we know what happened we accept it and move on.


Stop living in the past.

Ares42 14-04-2006 00:17

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Originally Posted by Gravitas
I was mildly aware of the relation, but if there was any chance of a Nazi implication I needed to know.

You should realize that some people's lives and histories are profoundly influenced by certain large-scale events, and so specific associations are more readily in their minds. I'm Jewish, if this helps you to understand my vector better.

Sorta prooves what I said.. you were searching for/finding Nazi implications where there is none, might wanna do some more research next time before you ask someone if they're Nazis. As you should know it's not an accusation taken lightly.

kacklon 14-04-2006 00:18

Good luck with your application btw :)

Waywatcher 14-04-2006 00:18

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And what thread have you been reading? I've acknowledged what many of you have clarified for me, that your symbol is indeed derived from ancient Rome. I only say that regardless of intent, one has always to be aware of the multiple connotations of each symbol, Nazism being on of them for that which you chose
You may want to extend your protest to every eagle icon you see.

Or perhaps grow a thicker skin. This world will never be as politically correct as the most sensitive common denominator.

As Denis Leary sums up: "Life is hard. Get a fucking helmet."

The watcher.

Agamemnon 14-04-2006 00:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bociwen
I can tell you right now that this shows to me you are not the quality of person we should affiliate ourselves with; furthermore I will do everything in what power I have to see that you do not become part of this community, as I fear the implications and trouble your lack of forsight and common sense may bring us.

Dunno mate, I think I'd vouch. Funny trolls are so hard to find these days!

Molotov 14-04-2006 00:19

heh it was a pretty innocent question, albeit naive, there's no reason for a flame war or to cause un neccessary grief. Well not much anyway ;p

But Gravitas as has been said many times now, the guild and its logo are all originated upon roman themes. The guild/community has been ever present in games around the world for 5 years + now and i think this is the first time anyone has ever come to this assumption. So at least congrats upon making, asking and creating an original thread and giving me a chuckle.

/me salutes

Tiddy 14-04-2006 00:19

BTW, arent you fuckers sposed to be killing firemaw? Yall are gonna make Gren cry!!!

Icewolf 14-04-2006 00:21

don't feed the trolls. And never argue with idiots like this - they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience...
No matter what we say, he will prolly never get it, he lacks the education and prolly even the intelligence to know enough about some real history lessons (e.g. roman empire).

cu starside
Ice

Toxi 14-04-2006 00:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tiddy
BTW, arent you fuckers sposed to be killing firemaw? Yall are gonna make Gren cry!!!

Firemaws Clutch/Dragonstalker :|

Oh, and welcome to the boards Gravitas!

Agamemnon 14-04-2006 00:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gravitas
I made no false link. I was asking if there was such a link.

If this is how you ask, I wonder what a statement would look like in your mind.

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Originally Posted by Gravitas
along with your official name of Legion (which has its SS connotations)

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And what thread have you been reading? I've acknowledged what many of you have clarified for me, that your symbol is indeed derived from ancient Rome. I only say that regardless of intent, one has always to be aware of the multiple connotations of each symbol, Nazism being on of them for that which you chose.
The fact that we are aware of a connotation is one thing, but when you have a slogan in latin, another slogan with was that of the Roman Legion, and a symbol with a history as that of the Roman Legion, the gathered connotation of this would only be offensive to someone hunting for a reason.
Those who hunt for reasons to take offense will always find them.
You did.

Waywatcher 14-04-2006 00:29

Anywho, thanks for making my time at work far more interesting than it otherwise would have been.

You've got your answer, however, as well as the immediate ire of much of our community. I hope your inquiry was worth it, though I would counsel doing more research before asking such inflammatory questions in the future, wherever you go in life.

We wish you luck on your search for a guild elsewhere.

The watcher.

Zjozz 14-04-2006 00:30

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Originally Posted by Tiddy
BTW, arent you fuckers sposed to be killing firemaw? Yall are gonna make Gren cry!!!

just did sir, in horrible lag!

Crytical 14-04-2006 00:31

Now, before I say anything, bear in mind that I'm not "taking sides in this ..erm..discussion".

Honestly, if you take away any fore-knowledge of our Guilds history or beliefes or basis, I can see where the OP actually might feel the need to ask the question he did. To be completely honest, I thought it was a Nazi symbol clevery adapted when I first joined Legion. Of course, before I made myself to look a bit foolish, I did a bit of research and discovered the true basis of this Guild. Needless to say, I was absolutely proud of who Legion were and what they represented, and terrifically glad that my fears were unfounded.

But again, like I stated earlier, I can see where the OP might have gotten the notion, and my kudos to him for having that large set of testicles he has to ask the possibly-offensive question he did.

<3

-Angel

Uuisa 14-04-2006 00:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Waywatcher
The Nazi party borrowed a lot of symbolism from ancient history. In fact, the swastika itself is derived from an ancient symbol for good luck (4 "L's" bound together to mean "Luck," "Life," "Love," and "Light."
The watcher.

Pfft someone always beats me to posting the only thing I ever have to say! Thx WW!

And seriously...why is everyone so mad? It was only a question...yes a stupid one but still heh.

Bociwen 14-04-2006 00:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Waywatcher
I don't often get a chance to wax intellectual and flame someone at the same time! This is historic!

The watcher.

P.S.:

Wait...did he initially post his app for the WoW division as well...? That takes some serious chutzpah, my friend. o.O

Now, he hasnt that I am aware of, however he did state that he came across VtS in the mannoroth forums while browsing for a guild to join.

However, you *can* be a part of legion's community without being in a given game, its his very presence as one of us that I oppose, regardless of what game he may or may not play.

Relifex 14-04-2006 00:32

Just one thing though if you look at the topic you write "Legion: Nazi symbolism" do you see a question mark in there? That alone kinda constate what you were after.

Trelf 14-04-2006 00:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by sike
Once you pass our tests you'll find out who we really are.. only once you reach the inner circle of the legion.

No test, just Cybor!

Gravitas 14-04-2006 00:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bociwen
You know, my initial reaction to your call of hypocrite was one of iritation, a touch of anger, and a desire to just do everything in my power to make you feel as peeved as I do.

I've been relaxed all afternoon. I find this thread to be very informative and enjoyable, despite antagonisms.

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But here's the deal; you walked in here, and instead of asking the simple question "hey legion, where did you guys get your motto/logo from?" you decide instead, to be joe smartypants and make your assumption. You even go so far as to apologize, in advance, for the insult you decided to throw at this entire community. Not only does this not even begin to justify the comments, but it also shows that you already knew your assumption to be untrue, yet you went ahead and decided to show us just how ignorant you can be.
Your logic is confined pal.

You're essentially stating that I may only ask questions so long as they are in the most general sense. My reason for asking this question though was to confirm or deny my suspicion. The corollary of any answer to my question would be the meaning.


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I can tell you right now that this shows to me you are not the quality of person we should affiliate ourselves with; furthermore I will do everything in what power I have to see that you do not become part of this community, as I fear the implications and trouble your lack of forsight and common sense may bring us.
I had no burgeoning desire whatsoever to join this guild in specific, so I couldn't care less what efforts you go to.

As for your assumptions of my character, Freud, good luck with that. You're certainly right that I'm completely qualityless, unlike those raving hyperbolists and sophists clearly not in this thread.

Relifex 14-04-2006 00:37

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Rids 14-04-2006 00:37

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Anunnak 14-04-2006 00:38

Just in case you apply

VETO

Crytical 14-04-2006 00:38

uze smalerr werds 4 meh plz :(

Hate having to get out my dictionary everytime I see a big word :(

Toxi 14-04-2006 00:38

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Tiddy 14-04-2006 00:40

OK, a serious post (sorta) and then I'll stop spamming this thread.


Bro, did you even consider that maybe there are people in this community that hate what Nazi Germany stood for just as much as you do? Do you think Jewish people are the only ones that have a right to be 'overly' offended by such things?

The majority if this guild, and community is European. WW2 impacted their way of life a helluvalot more than it did Canada, or even the USA for that matter. The sad part isnt that you asked the question... well yes it is, but the saddest part is you are trying to defend your question as if it was the correct thing to do just because you are Jewish. You, sir, were not in the right... not even close.

There are people here that get more offended by this topic than you do, so just because you are Jewish doesnt give you the right to accuse them of being Nazis, which is basically wtf you did. You do realize this right? You not only indirectly accused the members of the WoW guild, but every single member of this gaming community of being a Nazi. You sir, are an egocentric maggot eating fucktard, and if you were my neighbor I'd kill your fucking dog.

All in all, you are probably a troll. If not, you are one thick headed mother fucker.

Zjozz 14-04-2006 00:40

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i was waiting for that one hahaha

Gravitas 14-04-2006 00:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crytical
Now, before I say anything, bear in mind that I'm not "taking sides in this ..erm..discussion".

Honestly, if you take away any fore-knowledge of our Guilds history or beliefes or basis, I can see where the OP actually might feel the need to ask the question he did. To be completely honest, I thought it was a Nazi symbol clevery adapted when I first joined Legion. Of course, before I made myself to look a bit foolish, I did a bit of research and discovered the true basis of this Guild. Needless to say, I was absolutely proud of who Legion were and what they represented, and terrifically glad that my fears were unfounded.

But again, like I stated earlier, I can see where the OP might have gotten the notion, and my kudos to him for having that large set of testicles he has to ask the possibly-offensive question he did.

<3

-Angel

Thank you Crytical. This is how I hoped my question would be embraced by the community. And even if I did research the eagle symbol to a great degree, there would remain no conclusive information to tell me how exactly this specific party means to use this symbol without asking.

Relifex 14-04-2006 00:42

I check out the manno forum way to much =(

icarus 14-04-2006 00:44

Starting to look like a random mannoroth forums thread :rolleyes:

Gravitas 14-04-2006 00:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tiddy
OK, a serious post (sorta) and then I'll stop spamming this thread.


Bro, did you even consider that maybe there are people in this community that hate what Nazi Germany stood for just as much as you do? Do you think Jewish people are the only ones that have a right to be 'overly' offended by such things?

The majority if this guild, and community is European. WW2 impacted their way of life a helluvalot more than it did Canada, or even the USA for that matter. The sad part isnt that you asked the question... well yes it is, but the saddest part is you are trying to defend your question as if it was the correct thing to do just because you are Jewish. You, sir, were not in the right... not even close.

There are people here that get more offended by this topic than you do, so just because you are Jewish doesnt give you the right to accuse them of being Nazis, which is basically wtf you did. You do realize this right? You not only indirectly accused the members of the WoW guild, but every single member of this gaming community of being a Nazi. You sir, are an egocentric maggot eating fucktard, and if you were my neighbor I'd kill your fucking dog.

All in all, you are probably a troll. If not, you are one thick headed mother fucker.

Quote:

Location: Alabama, USA
I could say more, but I won't waste my energy.

Toxi 14-04-2006 00:46

Personally i just dont see how one can come to a forum to say something about our guild and nazi symbolism and expect a rational non offended responce heh.




Um especially a ration responce from Legion... :rolleyes:

Tiddy 14-04-2006 00:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gravitas
I could say more, but I won't waste my energy.



Oh say more, please. Assume shit about me just as you did Legion... PLEASE. Make a bigger retard out of yourself... PLEASE! You dont know what you're getting yourself into, ya Sluggette wannabe.

Icewolf 14-04-2006 00:47

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lokken 14-04-2006 00:52

hi
 
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Originally Posted by Gravitas
Thank you Crytical. This is how I hoped my question would be embraced by the community. And even if I did research the eagle symbol to a great degree, there would remain no conclusive information to tell me how exactly this specific party means to use this symbol without asking.

The symbol aside, did you read those huge fuckoff words The Legion and the motto Victuri Te Salutant before you posted? Did you notice that you posted on a forum known as the "colosseum"? Did the thought "ANCIENT ROME" not quite frankly drop out of the sky and smack you in the face like stone cold steve austin wielding a 2x4? Then to add insult to injury, you come onto a forum on the internet expecting not to be flamed for such stupidity and to cap it off for the irony of all ironies you call yourself "Gravitas".

All I want to know is how you are going to beat this fantastic feat of stupidity.

Tiddy 14-04-2006 00:53

BTW, how long does it take you guys to type all those symbols out to make it look like some dude with a headache? Seems like it would take quite a while.

Bociwen 14-04-2006 00:55

1) I'm not your pal.
2) I don't see enough big words, not quite impressed.
3) Why make a statement you know to be insulting, when a general question will reveal the information you seek, with zero risk of looking ignorant or offensive?

More large words please, half of us still know what you are writing.


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