Legion: Nazi Symbolism
 

This is a serious query.

I've been browsing for new Manno guilds and VtS is on my list, however, upon seeing the eagle symbol on your site, along with your official name of Legion (which has its SS connotations), I wanted to know if the guild or any of its members subscribe to what the Nazis stood for.

I realize this post, if my notion is untrue, will invariably be construed as insulting, and if it is untrue I can only offer my apology. I simply must know, however, if it at all occurred to you that this (http://www.pzg.biz/eagle_party_plaque.jpg) is very identifiable with the appearance of your guild symbol.

~Gravitas

Our logo is based on the eagle of the Roman Legions, the eagle that was the standard carried by every single legion into battle for hundreds of years. Our motto's, Strength and Honour, and Victuri te Salutant, are also derived from Roman origins.

Quite honestly, I don't know how to respond to such stupidity.

heh... wow


Might want to let this thread disapear before you post your app ;)

lol

its a roman empire thing

Most entertaining thread for awhile lol

Well you see, Rome is part of Italy, which was part of the Axis forces. That means Legion isnt a Nazi guild, but just likes to hang out with them and drink all their beer.

You know, this is gonna come off as extremely...something, but here it is:

Do you seriously fucking believe that this guild would even exist in the games it does if it supported this ideal?

Are you seriously that fucking dense? Since you are all into looking up history, go a little bit further with your in depth research and you will in fact realize that our motto is Latin, that the eagle was used in the Roman symbolism, and that Legion was their term for their armies. (as rids has pointed out)

I know this is a little difficult to see what with your blinding rightousness and all, but if you can take long enough to dredge up the few facts you have busted out to justify this display of ignorance, you can take a few minutes more to look at facts and realize you are wrong.

(and btw, based on my readings, no part of the German Army during hitlers rule was termed a legion, i may be wrong though)

Bugger off and have a nice day.

Far from stupid.

Consider my point of view: I know nothing about your guild. I come to this site, and instantly identify that symbol with its most current usage, as many others would. I had a strong reaction to it, and rather than be quiet and remain in interpretative limbo simply so I don't ask a "wrong question," I proceed to determine the truth. I was unaware the Roman Empire adopted that symbol as well, and now it's clarified, but my interpretation remains far from invalid.

It's also quite likely that the Nazis borrowed this aspect of Roman symbolism, as the comparisons between the two empires are mulitple and apt.

I can only wonder if this was at all considered when the guild was being created.

I dont know what's more shocking, the first post in this thread... or the fact that Bociwen dropped more F-bombs than Rids.


Rids must have gotten laid last night... waaaaaaaaay too nice.

Confusions do happen. No, we are not Nazi's, and in no way support their ideology. No need for a flame war.

Beliefs can remain covert, while symbols allude. It's like giving a nod in a direction rather than outright acknowledgement. It's certainly possible.

There's no need for all the expletives my unhappy friend. I know your motto and I've been fascinated by it for some time, but simply because it's Latin doesn't imply a direct link to the Romans. As for the term Legion, it has an authoritarian connotation, which was enough for me.

A question is not a display of ignorance. And an apology for "my notion being wrong" was offered beforehand. Sorry it's a little difficult for YOU to see beyond your blinding righteousness, hypocrite.

Hi, and welcome to our boards

I can recall 1 Legion... Condor Legion.. but those were German Volunteers that fought during the Spanish Civil War on Franco's side..Fighter planes Bf 109!!! YELLOW NOSED GOBLINS

No we're not Nazi's

We do have Germans in Legion.. That must really make you think we're filled with Nazi's to the brim... doesnt it?

Im from the Netherlands, nuff said.


(queue clog comment etc..)

Think the name of this very forum might of given away the roman theme rather than the nazi one.

I realize that an implication of asking my question was to never be accepted into the guild. I accepted that outcome beforehand :P

Once you pass our tests you'll find out who we really are.. only once you reach the inner circle of the legion.

The demographics of your guild have never been a field of study of mine, nor should they have. Beliefs transcend political boundaries.

A little educational story:

The eagle as a symbol appeared in ancient greece as a sign from zeus and were supposed to be a sign of favor by the gods. Greek citizens cultur and religion spread across the mediteranian, which is why it appeared in Italy.

Each legion (usually consisting of 5000 men) had one standard made with a golden eagle. Which became the very symbol and pride of the roman armies.

Hitlers use of the eagle is as 90% of everything else of symbolism he used, stolen from greater days of greater men/civilizations. The iron cross was the mark of a teutonic order (knights during the medieval days), the "nazi cross" or "sun cross" originates from norse mythology. The "nazi" salute was also used by the roman armies to their leaders.

Since Hitler "percieved" or atleast used these to promote his ideas of the supreme being "übermench" (flatly stolen from nitczhe) and the supremecy of the Arian race he used these ancient symbols which most people respected and blatantly used them for his own gain.


German armies NEVER had legions, there has never been an army (except the french foreign legion) after the roman empire that used "Legion" as a term of size of a unit. Germany used the modern expressions of armies IE, troop, batallion, corps, division etc etc.

There are still several nation/armies that use some form of eagle as a symbol still. USAF is one example of such, the german armies still have the iron cross on its tanks/aircrafts.

www.google.com is your friend before making stupendos posts.

<3 forum trolls

We have bets going on what sorta education you're currently taking to cause for such a warped perception of reality, please explain!

That we are a french RP guild?

EDIT: What we find out when we're in the inner circle...

The Nazi party borrowed a lot of symbolism from ancient history. In fact, the swastika itself is derived from an ancient symbol for good luck (4 "L's" bound together to mean "Luck," "Life," "Love," and "Light."

The cross on the Legion banner - as well as practically every thematic device we use, from our banner motifs to our motto ("Victuri te Salutant" - Latin for "We, who are about to succeed, salute you;" a more positive take on the old gladiator adage) - are derived from the ancient Roman empire.

I think more people took offense to the fact that you actually thought that any large modern organization of people in as mainstream a medium as a video game could actually form a guild based on National Socialism or what the party stood for.

Regardless, let's consider any such misinterpretation dispelled now.

We apologize for our overreaction. We will not, however, apologize for our being offended by your very question.

Please take care.

The watcher.

We are all lil hobby nazi's, and we're playing WoW to spread our propaganda in sekrit, that way we can take over the world in 50 years time!

PS: Please don't tell anyone

He is Canadian. We have to overlook his naive perception of the world due to his sheltered life in the Great White North.

The eagle as a symbol is being used in countless ways if you havent noticed. Is this how do you react when you see an eagle symbol in general or just ours?
Either way I pity you.

Sometimes the person seeks the answer, sometimes the answer seeks the person. I seriously doubt the second is the case here. You're the first person I've ever met that didn't instantly relate this guild to the roman empire.

Quiet Gunter!

Well I know some ppl that always chose the Axis team in ET... maybe you're on to something heh.

Warped would be if I thought your guild symbol was identifiable with the M-Arch, and that you're all proponents of fatty foods, globalism, and runaway capitalism.

Please, have you and your friends elaborate exactly how my perception of reality is warped.

Thus our wondering about what his education is.. Most experiences with people who are searching for a truth that would be intreaguing more than plausible or even possible, are quite simply of semi-educated quasi-intellectuals with immense egos, that think they know something nobody else does.

Omg. Please go away.

no please stay, this is more entertaining than the lag in bwl

Rascal even fought in WW2,
True story!
for the allied forces that is :o

I think immediately associating a symbol currently utilized by a half dozen governments (including your democratic neighbors to the south) with the Nazi party is fairly warped. You couched this assumption in the form of a query when most people, I believe, could immediately have realized the real theme of our guild.

It seems to me you either willfully sought to create drama here, or your pre-cognitive impulses (associating icons with meaning) are, indeed, "warped."

The watcher.

How about the fact that out of a rather large amount of symbols, you chose the only one you actually knew had had one meaning you didn't like, and then elaborated this point by inventing false links to the SS in our name. I would at best have called your theory here an uneducated guess at first, but the fact that you still don't get it, means that you are impressively stupid and stubborn to boot.

I was mildly aware of the relation, but if there was any chance of a Nazi implication I needed to know.

You should realize that some people's lives and histories are profoundly influenced by certain large-scale events, and so specific associations are more readily in their minds. I'm Jewish, if this helps you to understand my vector better.

Jesus christ, 34 people viewing this thread, you're all a bunch of fucking drama queens!

oi!