Legion: Nazi Symbolism

[Gravitas]

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

We have bets going on what sorta education you're currently taking to cause for such a warped perception of reality, please explain!

Warped would be if I thought your guild symbol was identifiable with the M-Arch, and that you're all proponents of fatty foods, globalism, and runaway capitalism.

Please, have you and your friends elaborate exactly how my perception of reality is warped.

[kacklon]

Originally Posted by Gravitas

Warped would be if I thought your guild symbol was identifiable with the M-Arch, and that you're all proponents of fatty foods, globalism, and runaway capitalism.

Please, have you and your friends elaborate exactly how my perception of reality is warped.

Omg. Please go away.

[Stijn]

Rascal even fought in WW2,
True story!
for the allied forces that is :o

[Tobler]

Originally Posted by Stijn

Rascal even fought in WW2,
True story!
for the allied forces that is :o

oi!

[Anunnak]

This may seem harsh... but Jews werent the only ones to suffer during ww2...
Slavs lost oh what 25-30 million during that conflict? Do we fucking cry about it every chance we get? Do we need to remind others of what happend? NO we know what happened we accept it and move on.


Stop living in the past.

[Sin]

Originally Posted by Anunnak

This may seem harsh... but Jews werent the only ones to suffer during ww2...
Slavs lost oh what 25-30 million during that conflict? Do we fucking cry about it every chance we get? Do we need to remind others of what happend? NO we know what happened we accept it and move on.


Stop living in the past.

You know... I told Ramp I wanted to stay away from any drama related to WoW this time around. Unfortunately, this is something I can't pass up.

Some of you may ask why I am quoting this particular reply, well, the reason is simple. This whole thread, is a debate of symbolism, and what, The Legion, our guild, our online home, represents. We have someone making, what he claims to be an simple question, but also, in the same thread, fore-saw the fact that he would not be accepted into this guild.

How can you ask this sort of question already foreseeing the outcome? You say you simply must know. Honestly though, shouldn't you have done a bit more research. Even if it were only reading the few posts you had access to?

If you ask me, this post I have quoted, is by far, the most educated in the thread I've read. Yes, there have been numerous references to Ancient Rome, and Hilter's adaptation on similar foundations, but, this is what it boils down to.

No. I'm not Jewish. No, The Nazi Regime did not have any immediate effect on me personally, but it had an effect on my family. I am Canadian, as you can see in my avatar just left of my post. I also know it had an effect on Whaambulance's family, who lives one floor above me in my apartment building. In fact, I could almost say it had an effect on pretty much everyone living in my apartment building.

This whole thing, although it may have started as Nazi versus the Jewish People, involed, at the time, a large portion of the semi-large powers of the world. Hence, this war, was dubbed, World War II. This whole occurance didn't just effect two groups of people. This effected a majority of the worlds population. This effected EVERY SINGLE PERSON who fought in this war. This effect, was cause by numerous Countries fighting for the lives of other human beings, in this case, your Ancestors. Taking these factors into mind. You can rightingly assume that anyone knowing what happened in that time would absolutely dispise what the Nazi's stood for and believed in, in a group of people as large as ours.

I'm not saying that the original post was unjustified in his questioning, but, a little bit of common sense, a bit of thought, before a "knee-jerk" reaction, you would have realize that the question you were asking was completely out of place.

Although the people of this Online Gaming community can have our differences, and can show a bit of anominity towards each other from time to time, we are a guild that not only respect our members, but also everyone else that we encounter in our gaming endevours.

I know you said you did moderate research before posting. Moderate to me is a little bit, a little bit converts to a slight idea... And well, a slight idea, isn't something you want to make a post about when it comes to something of this significance.

[Gravitas]

Originally Posted by Guntified

How can you ask this sort of question already foreseeing the outcome? You say you simply must know. Honestly though, shouldn't you have done a bit more research. Even if it were only reading the few posts you had access to?

I thought it was far-fetched that anyone here (as in most places in western society) would subscribe to Nazism, yes, but no matter how much I could have researched the guild, there would be no way to entirely alleviate my doubt without asking. I wouldn't have wanted to join a guild only to have discovered later on everyone's a skinhead with memberships in the KKK, or is planting tulips around shrines to Hitler.

I was aware of the Latin phrase and its meaning (it's a favorite of mine actually), and I did know that Roman combat groups were denominated as Legions, though it slipped my mind when I posted. Regardless, one cannot deny that the guild's emblem bears a striking resemblance to not only what the Romans bore, but what Hitler and others bore as well. Numerous members have already acknowledged that it was not unreasonable for me to have had thought the invidious relationship possible. Understandably, most people in the guild thought it ludicrous and absurd to spin up the possibility of a negative interpretation: but it's because they are all familiar with their home. And I didn't mean to come here and trample on that home, only to discover a truth. Hence why I offered my apology beforehand.

As to WWII:

Yes, over 45 million people died. Only 6 million were Jews--but this is out of a world population of only about 9 or 10 million Jews. Over 70% of any group was not lost, and so Jews tend to be a little more wary about pockets of anti-semites after that "lesson."

My question wasn't a "knee-jerk" reaction. It was a question. In my mind only statements can truly be out of place, not questions. It wasn't firm in my mind that anyone here was a national socialist, and I was interested in finding out. If I came here thinking you were all Nazis, and flat-out said so, with righteous indignation, and asked you to prove me wrong, then I would have been way out of place. But as it stands, there's no denying the resemblance of your guild emblem to the Nazi's emblem, and so I felt it was necessary to know the truth. Anything's possible in my mind--I really don't know what goes on behind closed doors.

[Agamemnon]

Originally Posted by Gravitas

Please, have you and your friends elaborate exactly how my perception of reality is warped.

How about the fact that out of a rather large amount of symbols, you chose the only one you actually knew had had one meaning you didn't like, and then elaborated this point by inventing false links to the SS in our name. I would at best have called your theory here an uneducated guess at first, but the fact that you still don't get it, means that you are impressively stupid and stubborn to boot.

[Gravitas]

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

How about the fact that out of a rather large amount of symbols, you chose the only one you actually knew had had one meaning you didn't like, and then elaborated this point by inventing false links to the SS in our name. I would at best have called your theory here an uneducated guess at first, but the fact that you still don't get it, means that you are impressively stupid and stubborn to boot.

I made no false link. I was asking if there was such a link. There's a difference between statement and query. I was very careful to make this distinction in my first post. Sadly, there's always a few sitting around waiting to baselessly justify their superiority by labeling others as stupid.

And what thread have you been reading? I've acknowledged what many of you have clarified for me, that your symbol is indeed derived from ancient Rome. I only say that regardless of intent, one has always to be aware of the multiple connotations of each symbol, Nazism being one of them for that which you chose.

[Agamemnon]

Originally Posted by Gravitas

I made no false link. I was asking if there was such a link.

If this is how you ask, I wonder what a statement would look like in your mind.

Originally Posted by Gravitas

along with your official name of Legion (which has its SS connotations)

And what thread have you been reading? I've acknowledged what many of you have clarified for me, that your symbol is indeed derived from ancient Rome. I only say that regardless of intent, one has always to be aware of the multiple connotations of each symbol, Nazism being on of them for that which you chose.

The fact that we are aware of a connotation is one thing, but when you have a slogan in latin, another slogan with was that of the Roman Legion, and a symbol with a history as that of the Roman Legion, the gathered connotation of this would only be offensive to someone hunting for a reason.
Those who hunt for reasons to take offense will always find them.
You did.

[BDB]

WOW Gravitas OR AS I WILL CALL U FROM NOW ON FUCKTARD
WHAT U NEED TO DO IS GO OUT SIDE AND DIG A HOLE PUT YOUR FUCKING HEAD IN THE HOLE FUCKTARD AND FIST YOUR SELF TILL U ONE OF 2 THINGS HAPPEN

u either die which hey thats fucking great for me

or understand that your makeing more of an ass out of your self by posting this shit then fisting your self

either way fuck off and die slow and plz plz plz dont have fucking kids u dumb twat cumlicking fucktard

l

[Toxi]

l


o


l


Best reply ever.

[Rewq]

Gravitas is my best friend, leave him alone please ! Fucking nazys

[Rids]

Originally Posted by BDB

WOW Gravitas OR AS I WILL CALL U FROM NOW ON FUCKTARD
WHAT U NEED TO DO IS GO OUT SIDE AND DIG A HOLE PUT YOUR FUCKING HEAD IN THE HOLE FUCKTARD AND FIST YOUR SELF TILL U ONE OF 2 THINGS HAPPEN

u either die which hey thats fucking great for me

or understand that your makeing more of an ass out of your self by posting this shit then fisting your self

either way fuck off and die slow and plz plz plz dont have fucking kids u dumb twat cumlicking fucktard

l

I love you bob.